tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211112229982829419.post3279646526302557495..comments2022-03-24T16:11:50.124-04:00Comments on The Man From Porlock: Why We Film (Inglourious Basterds)Craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01450775188328918558noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211112229982829419.post-47727996780807139942009-12-29T09:37:16.561-05:002009-12-29T09:37:16.561-05:00A great review. I haven't come across your blo...A great review. I haven't come across your blog before.<br /><br />I especially enjoyed your discussion of Tarantino as being the opposite of a lazy crowd pleaser.<br /><br />If you're interested in a less glowing appraisal of the film, I posted my own thoughts on it here. I'd like to know what you think:<br /><br />http://checkingonmysausages.blogspot.com<br />/2009/12/observations-on-inglourious-<br />basterds.htmlStephenhttp://checkingonmysausages.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211112229982829419.post-11062201548307069652009-09-14T18:49:25.055-04:002009-09-14T18:49:25.055-04:00"Inglourious Basterds is a brilliant piece of...<i>"Inglourious Basterds is a brilliant piece of crazy." Well said!</i><br /><br />Thanks, though after seeing it the 2nd time, it seemed even more brilliant but far less crazy. Considering where it goes, the movie makes an astonishing amount of sense.Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01450775188328918558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211112229982829419.post-83957500494026948892009-09-04T09:56:10.715-04:002009-09-04T09:56:10.715-04:00Thanks, Craig. Tarantino has made an interesting s...Thanks, Craig. Tarantino has made an interesting shift from the reverent (and not really entirely realistic) WWII films of Spielberg and Eastwood to a wild, very different take on WWII. I'd like to see Tarantino's film inspire more films that are original takes on the genre.Richard Bellamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12397053921647421425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211112229982829419.post-17364245646567687972009-09-04T06:35:27.404-04:002009-09-04T06:35:27.404-04:00Hokahey - That was a good call in your IB review t...Hokahey - That was a good call in your IB review that mentioned SPR. I'd forgotten that ridiculous scene.Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01450775188328918558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211112229982829419.post-84088042786636651222009-09-03T20:56:43.738-04:002009-09-03T20:56:43.738-04:00"If I'm troubled by certain elements, I&#..."If I'm troubled by certain elements, I'm less offended than I was by Saving Private Ryan, which Tom Carson notes pretends to be an authentic depiction of the historical record while actually glorifying cliches." Yes! I agree! And I included some criticisms of that film in my review of <i>Basterds</i>.<br /><br />"Inglourious Basterds is a brilliant piece of crazy." Well said!<br /><br />Not only does this movie make most others appear "gutless," as you say - it makes them seem poorly made in comparison.Richard Bellamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12397053921647421425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211112229982829419.post-15738670423482578562009-09-01T18:19:23.705-04:002009-09-01T18:19:23.705-04:00Jason - The only time I grew restless was the scen...Jason - The only time I grew restless was the scene where Landa has his sit-down with Raine and Utivich. The scene is fine in and of itself, but it's the least enjoyable of all of Landa's leisurely interrogations (especially since we know his game by now) and it interrupts the momentum toward the climax. I suspect that's why QT put it there, but it's the only scene that I wish were trimmed down.<br /><br />Miranda - Um, wow. Dunno what my "mama" would say about my taste, but thank you for the kind words. I put a lot of work into that Bond series, and it was a lot of fun to do.Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01450775188328918558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211112229982829419.post-82690452946246371872009-09-01T04:26:29.720-04:002009-09-01T04:26:29.720-04:00This is a superlative review that contains some re...This is a superlative review that contains some remarkably fierce insight. <br /><br />I don't comment that frequently at other peoples' sites any more -aside from a handful of individuals that I know fairly well. <br /><br />But, as long as I'm here, I might as well make an observation...<br /><br />For the last two years, I've been good friends with another film blogger named Craig (as in Kennedy, of LIVING IN CINEMA). He's a smart, sharp guy who digs film and knows a lot about it. <br /><br />Considering that that particular moniker can not be picked effortlessly out of the sky, who knew there would be two of you...?<br /><br />Not I. It's definitely unexpected. <br /><br />You have impeccable taste. I know this for a fact because your predilections perfectly mirror my own.<br /><br />I participated in a James Bond blogathon last year which coincided with the release of Quantum Of Solace. It was effectively JB week over at my site. I reviewed QOS,(both versions of) CASINO ROYALE and some old favorites from years gone by. <br /><br />(Yeah. Even glamorous blonde feminists can get a champagne kick out of Bond. Well, some of us at any rate...)<br /><br />Seeing as I viewed Daniel Craig's <br />CS seven times in the cinema (when I ardently adore something, I have a tendency to get obsessed) your series was extremely illuminating. <br /><br />Also greatly enjoyed your selection of favourite female actors. <br /><br />Catherine Deneuve, the two fabulous Hepburns, Jessica Lange, Barbara Stanwyck, Ellen Burstyn, Fran McDormand, Maria Bello, Claudia Cardinale...<br /><br />Those are some powerfully formidable chicks. They're all fantastic. <br /><br />LAUREN BACALL (at #10) and JULIE CHRISTIE (at #13) made my list as well. <br /><br />Plus anyone who loves THE GRADUATE and TOOTSIE (as well as knowing who ANNE COATES is...and recognizing and admiring her expertise) deserves a medal of honour. <br /><br />I've often been accused of being hard to please by the male gender (since I was 14 *yawn* - though I <br />certainly AM worth it...), but that really won't fly in this particular instance. <br /><br />Very, very impressive, Craig. <br /><br />Your mama would be proud...Miranda Wildinghttp://cinematicpassions.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211112229982829419.post-3513676840282592412009-08-31T08:35:34.310-04:002009-08-31T08:35:34.310-04:00So, as promised, I read this again. A few thoughts...So, as promised, I read this again. A few thoughts ...<br /><br /><i>Tarantino adds one development on top of another, tightening the screws so far beyond the pale it would have made Hitchcock scream, "Enough!"</i><br /><br />That's exactly right! In doing a lot of QT catch-up blog reading over the weekend, I was stunned at how many people suggested that scene is boring or overlong. What? I, too, think there are parts of the film that are somewhat boring, but I'd point my finger at Shosanna's interruption-filled second meeting with Zoller and, especially, the bit at the resaurant with Goebbels (before Landa joins the fray). The fact that those scenes run into one another is part of the problem, and I don't think the dead space is all that necessary to lulling us into sleep for the shock of Landa's arrival. (In other words, those slower scenes could have been cut in half and had the same positive effect without the negative effect.)<br /><br /><i>If I'm troubled by certain elements, I'm less offended than I was by Saving Private Ryan...</i><br /><br />This is another thing that surprised me in my catch-up reading. I fully expected outrage and debate about Nazis being made victims (deserving or not) in the final scene. But to rip a film's historical inaccuracy when it's so obviously a fantasy (hello, Hugo Stiglitz intro!) while so many supposedly accurate films are loose with the facts, well, to me that just shows how our opinions can be guided by our politics: we don't like Nazis, so they must be evil; we do like Americans, so they must be heroes. Etc. Strange.<br /><br /><i>Pitt crafts a hoot of a caricature in Lt. Raine.</i><br /><br />I'm also stunned how many people dislike Pitt's performance for being a caricature, as if it isn't obvious that that's the point. I suspect at the root of this is the feeling that since Pitt is the biggest star on screen that she should deliver the biggest and most memorable performance, and that since he doesn't it's a "fault" (his or QT's). Sorry, folks: Hyping Waltz wouldn't have packed the multiplexes. Though the end result suggests that would be the way the film should have been sold, if marketing was in any way based on the realities of the product.<br /><br />OK. That's all for now. Just wanted to say that I enjoyed reading this again. Good stuff.Jason Bellamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18150199580478147196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211112229982829419.post-61379352683671460662009-08-26T11:06:35.829-04:002009-08-26T11:06:35.829-04:00Also --
And, to be honest, that was also kind of m...Also --<br /><i>And, to be honest, that was also kind of my reaction to the poorly written Traci Thoms character in Death Proof and the Vivica Fox character in Kill Bill.</i><br /><br />-- I honestly don't remember Traci Thoms's performance enough to say yay or nay. But Sydney Poitier made a big impression in that same movie, and Rosario Dawson has never been more vivid onscreen.Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01450775188328918558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211112229982829419.post-63058414563134683572009-08-26T06:04:34.985-04:002009-08-26T06:04:34.985-04:00Fox, I'm glad you brought this up too. I would...Fox, I'm glad you brought this up too. I would have liked more between Shosanna and Marcel; it's a weak point, ableit not a major one for me. I don't think it was a question of QT's reluctance or uncertainty (since when is that an issue?) but rather him using some emotional shorthand to convey their relationship to counter the more operatic elements (in ample supply) of the film.<br /><br />Now, you can argue as to *why* he chooses to underplay that relationship: maybe he was trying to avoid the standard "love-triangle" silliness (since, in Shosanna's mind, there isn't one). It's a potentially interesting relationship and that part's unfortunate. Whatever the reason, I was still moved by their goodbye scene. And I did feel kind of bad for Zoller despite myself, who isn't a hero but also not completely without merit. What do you think that look on his face was when he was watching "Nation's Pride" -- embarrassment? Something else?Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01450775188328918558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211112229982829419.post-88622269957354315532009-08-26T00:59:56.584-04:002009-08-26T00:59:56.584-04:00Craig-
Uh... yeah... well, you're wrong. (I&...Craig-<br /><br />Uh... yeah... well, you're wrong. (I'm just joshin' ya!).<br /><br />OK, so lots of stuff here, but you're one of the first to bring up Shoshanna's projectionsist - and I'm glad you did - so let's go there.<br /><br />You say that <b>IB</b> brings up, "the issue of race via Shosanna's love interest, the African-immigrant projectionist Marcel (Jacky Ido);". This character was a curious one to me. Since Marcel was so underused, my first thought was that it felt like a concession in response to racial criticisms from people like Spike Lee. And, to be honest, that was also kind of my reaction to the poorly written Traci Thoms character in <b>Death Proof</b> and the Vivica Fox character in <b>Kill Bill</b>. <br /><br />Now, I don't think Tarantino has racial issues at all, and I think Lee's criticisms are bunk, but I will admit feeling that Tarantino felt a little unsure of how to handle Marcel and his relationship to Shoshanna. He almost even seemed to do a better job of hinting at a chemistry between Shoshanna and Zoller than at anything between Shoshanna and Marcel.Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08067136509248849744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211112229982829419.post-85051834971476576452009-08-24T12:22:43.317-04:002009-08-24T12:22:43.317-04:00Thanks everyone for your comments.
Fernando -
T...Thanks everyone for your comments.<br /><br />Fernando - <br /><br /><i>The use of languages fighting for domination....</i><br /><br />I hadn't thought about this, but it's a terrific observation. Watching that first scene, when Landa asks the farmer that they switch to English, I remember thinking it a lazy nod to American audiences, as if to say, a la <i>Hunt for Red October</i>, "Okay, we've established we're foreign; you don't have to read subtitles anymore." But Landa's motive turns out to be ingenious. I wasn't sure why Shosanna chose to do her home-movie in English, but most of the film leading up to then is, I would estimate, in languages other than English.<br /><br />Tarantino obviously got a big kick out of writing dialogue for characters from a variety of linguistic and cultural backgrounds. Brad Pitt's Eye-talian accent was also absurdly funny.<br /><br />Film Doc -<br /><br /><i>I found the layout of the bar intriguing because it gave the German Major the opportunity to listen in to the various conversation from a hidden nook that the viewer doesn't know about until late in the scene...</i><br /><br />I liked the production design for that too. Also for the big room where Hicox meets Churchill and Austin Powers. We discussed this over at your site, but I enjoyed that scene more than most. In style and tone, it looks like a scene out of a David Lean epic, only with Mike Myers there in the corner. A Mad Magazine-type gag, another nifty piece of war-movie deconstruction.<br /><br />JB -<br /><br /><i>I'm going to save my thoughts for my upcoming convo with Ed.</i><br /><br />Looking forward to 'em!Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01450775188328918558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211112229982829419.post-20644885026904031762009-08-24T10:40:55.059-04:002009-08-24T10:40:55.059-04:00Craig: If the best films are often ones that cause...Craig: If the best films are often ones that cause the audience to struggle to comprehend them, the best reviews are often ones in which the critic's uncertainty comes through.<br /><br />That's my way of saying, great review. You make many arguments confidently, but I can feel you wrestling with the bigger picture. It creates a vulnerability, if you will, that I think makes writing feel alive.<br /><br />I'm going to save my thoughts for my upcoming convo with Ed. I'm planning to see the film a second time tonight in the hopes of gaining a better understanding myself.<br /><br />I'll be returning to this review, too.Jason Bellamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18150199580478147196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211112229982829419.post-36153163806068379302009-08-23T22:16:07.139-04:002009-08-23T22:16:07.139-04:00Excellent review. I especially liked your discuss...Excellent review. I especially liked your discussion of the set-piece scene in the tavern. I found the layout of the bar intriguing because it gave the German Major the opportunity to listen in to the various conversation from a hidden nook that the viewer doesn't know about until late in the scene, and I especially enjoyed the wit and flair in which he kept after Hicox. He proves himself able to quickly figure out the popular culture reference to King Kong--the one true proof of intellect by postmodern standards. <br /><br />Offhand, I don't know of any recent film that has the style and swagger of <i>Basterds</i>, even given its limitations.The Film Doctor https://www.blogger.com/profile/03073505923746994988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211112229982829419.post-35950780565808765952009-08-23T20:47:43.948-04:002009-08-23T20:47:43.948-04:00"So far the movie of the year." Ah-men.
..."So far the movie of the year." Ah-men.<br /><br />I've seen it twice this weekend, and it seems to keep enlarging the more I think about it. Visually, structurally and emotionally, it's astonishing stuff. The use of languages fighting for domination has to be the most ingenious since Godard's in <i>Contempt</i>, and its passion is palpable. For a filmmaker who keeps getting flack for a supposedly frivolous worldview, QT creats moments of exceptionally thorny moral heft. (Another contradiction: Having started as a director of tough-guy ensembles, he's become in my view his generation's greatest director of actresses.)<br /><br />I've heard people complain about the misleading trailers, which promise an action bonanza and delivere a subtitle-laden art film. Perhaps, but it's brilliantly misleading. I wonder if audiences who came to cheer at a gorefest about Americans slaughtering Nazis will recognize that movie in the film-within-the film gorefest about Nazis slaughtering Americans (which plays to cheering audiences). Of course, that kind of ambivalence goes against Armond's insistence on "moral clarity" as exemplified in... <i>G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra</i>.Fernando F. Crocehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05934811626066160149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211112229982829419.post-28134491107987829632009-08-23T19:22:38.529-04:002009-08-23T19:22:38.529-04:00I'll be curious to see what you think, Hokahey...I'll be curious to see what you think, Hokahey. Let me emphasize again, it's a movie I'm struggling with. As Roger Ebert said after he first saw <i>Pulp Fiction</i>: "It's either the best film of the year or the worst. I hardly knew what the hell had happened to me." But QT's movies always look better on repeat viewings, once the dust settles; and I've a hunch this one will too.Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01450775188328918558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3211112229982829419.post-125294011648001752009-08-23T17:07:27.821-04:002009-08-23T17:07:27.821-04:00Your wonderful - and glowing - review here really ...Your wonderful - and glowing - review here really builds up my anticipation for the film. I'm aching for a masterful piece of filmmaking, and I'm really hoping for a satisfying viewing experience. I'm on vacation with my family in California right now, but I hope to see this movie at the Arclight in Hollywood at the end of our trip.Richard Bellamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12397053921647421425noreply@blogger.com